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Thurstan R. McDougle

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 11:27

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full name wrote:
>
> "Thurstan R. McDougle" <trmcdougle@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>
> >full name wrote:
> >>
> >> "Thurstan R. McDougle" <trmcdougle@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >> >Aphex wrote:
> >>
snip...

> >> I posted to the StarCraft forum about the same time I first posted
> >> here. Strangely enough (being a large group compared to this nearly
> >> extinct group), the StarCraft forum has <snip> kept from flaming me
> >> for it.
> >
> >No flames for you, but not one post discussing your idea! (out of 185
> >messages in the thread)
>
> I have much experience posting ideas to UseNet. No reply is often
> times a very good reply.
>
> This particular idea suggests a fundamental change to the whole genre.
> If it is viewed as a good idea, one might expect awe inspired silence
> from people who are not overly defensive of their egos.

IMO, not exactly, if an idea is both significant and good then I would
expect at least SOME "Interesting", "Yes please" or "That sounds good,
are you working on a game with that" style of posts.
On the other hand when bad you get critism, or if it seems that its
badness is obvious then you get flames, OR IGNORED. (al la SPAM)
On the third hand(!) if closer to neutral you tend to get "Whats the
benefit over X" posts.

You have had the last 2, but I don't recall seeing even 1 of the first
type .... Does anyone reading this think that his system will work? And
if it works would it be better or worse than, say, TAs?

>
> Of course I would like more, but I am very pleased with the discussion
> the idea received in the design group. Now that the thing is in what
> appears to be a well refined form ready for application, there isn't
> much left to talk about except what effect it might have on game play.
> I would love talk about that, but maybe that is a cumbersome design
> issue more easily decided by play testing.
>
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full name

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 13:20

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off-topic

"Daniel Blakemore" <mylordslaanesh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>That quote you gave wasn't me

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>How much a hit-man would cost to knock *you* off, you stupid boy...
>Danny Blakemore
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>Who's joking? I ain't. I meant every word.
>Danny Blakemore
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>Aww...you gonna get the cops to mount 24-hour surveillance on you
>for the rest of your life? Get a clue....
>We'll be sure to come visit your mental ward, so [we] can play
>"kick the retard"...
>Danny Blakemore
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>... he thinks he's safe behind a computer monitor, hundreds, if not
>thousands, of miles away from any physical form of retaliation.
>Wise up, kid. Two reasons. One, you're not safe, even behind the monitor.
>Two, several of us have the means to pay you a visit. And you're sure
>as hell giving us the motivation.
>Danny Blakemore
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>You need to shut the fucking hell up and leave this fucking newsgroup
>before we break down your door to your lonely pathetic room and fucking
>smash your computer to bits.

full name

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 14:42

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"Aphex" <dont.think@so.com> wrote:
>"full name" <email@address.com> wrote:

>Come on - from what I can see of your idea, it's not *that* good

It is from the glimpses I can see (in our computer strategy gaming
world).

>or amazingly different.

Novel AFAIK, maybe not amazing. It is totally fascinating from what I
can see, and very easy to implement.

>'awe inspired silence'...pfft -

lol

>you could expect this if say you'd invented the RTS genre maybe...

Was the concept of Dune praised? Not the game, the concept. My timer
thing is actually a morph of the way chess is timed. Was the concept
of the chess clock praised? Not likely. But it is a software device
which doesn't require manufacturing, as software is. And the concept
is easy to apply, I think.

>Conversely, your idea may serve quite well to frustrate the player when they
>have less control over their units etc.

As in running out of selections? Running out of time can frustrate a
chess player too. That is the possible price a player risks in
exchange for all of the benefits to the whole.

>There's nothing quite as aggravating in a game as not being allowed input.

But it is not a mechanical, rigid restraint. The whole thing is
extremely flexible.

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"A computer in every home - mine, all mine!"

full name

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 14:50

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"Thurstan R. McDougle" <trmcdougle@myrealbox.com> wrote:
>full name wrote:

>> I have much experience posting ideas to UseNet. No reply is often
>> times a very good reply ...

>... if an idea is both significant and good then I would expect at least
>SOME "Interesting", "Yes please" or "That sounds good, are you working
>on a game with that" style of posts.

Or, "That idea gives me diarrhea" or "I tried your page, but Net Nanny
filtered it."

>On the other hand when bad you get critism, or if it seems that its
>badness is obvious then you get flames, OR IGNORED. (al la SPAM)
>On the third hand(!) if closer to neutral you tend to get "Whats the
>benefit over X" posts.

Where is your apparently vast expertise on human behavior coming from?

>You have had the last 2, but I don't recall seeing even 1 of the first
>type ....

Try the game design group.

>Does anyone reading this think that his system will work?

If you really want to know about systems, try asking that in the game
design group, maybe in other than Yes or No form. If you care to do
so, let me know so I can join your discussion there. Or just cross
post it from here.

>And if it works would it be better or worse than, say, TAs?

My timer is not a replacement system.

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mbender@satx.rr.com

"A computer in every home - mine, all mine!"

Thurstan R. McDougle

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 17:00

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full name wrote:
>
> "Thurstan R. McDougle" <trmcdougle@myrealbox.com> wrote:
> >full name wrote:
>
> >> I have much experience posting ideas to UseNet. No reply is often
> >> times a very good reply ...
>
> >... if an idea is both significant and good then I would expect at least
> >SOME "Interesting", "Yes please" or "That sounds good, are you working
> >on a game with that" style of posts.
>
> Or, "That idea gives me diarrhea" or "I tried your page, but Net Nanny
> filtered it."
>
> >On the other hand when bad you get critism, or if it seems that its
> >badness is obvious then you get flames, OR IGNORED. (al la SPAM)
> >On the third hand(!) if closer to neutral you tend to get "Whats the
> >benefit over X" posts.
>
> Where is your apparently vast expertise on human behavior coming from?
>

Well to quote you "I have much experience posting ideas to UseNet"
I have been posting to (not just reading) usenet since 1988.

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=35C1F0BD.B6866012%40knightpiesold.co.uk

The earliest LShaping, or the anti-spam email address that you used with
that handle, I can find was 11-Sep-2001, (in one of the discussions
about the hijacked aircraft). No doubt you were posting before then,
but I do not know what as.

http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=4eftptkegqs1l06uj4bsl4th0ecva2hr3p%404ax.com

> >You have had the last 2, but I don't recall seeing even 1 of the first
> >type ....
>
> Try the game design group.

OK, I have not been there. I was just looking at the SC group threads
you highlighted, plus those here and in csipgs. (Since those were the
ones you were citing in your support)

>
> >Does anyone reading this think that his system will work?
>
> If you really want to know about systems, try asking that in the game
> design group, maybe in other than Yes or No form. If you care to do
> so, let me know so I can join your discussion there. Or just cross
> post it from here.

Then let me add the phrase "from the point of view of the players of the
nearest RTS (i.e. TA) to this system" Also there was room for a "Yes,
but ...", or "No, unless ..."

>
> >And if it works would it be better or worse than, say, TAs?
>
> My timer is not a replacement system.

No? Then I have missed something in my understanding of it.

>
> --
> Real Timed Strategy Gaming
> http://pages.prodigy.net/logicshaping
> mbender@satx.rr.com
>
> "A computer in every home - mine, all mine!"

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Daniel Blakemore

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 18:11

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> >That quote you gave wasn't me
> off-topic

You do realise that falsifying info like that can get you kicked off your
ISP.... Now c'mon...put some effort into that trolling, you're getting
boring

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oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself" - Tom Paine

Daniel Blakemore

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 18:14

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> >Come on - from what I can see of your idea, it's not *that* good
> It is from the glimpses I can see (in our computer strategy gaming
> world).

"from what I can see". is the key part of the sentance. Opinion isn't fact.

> >or amazingly different.
> Novel AFAIK, maybe not amazing. It is totally fascinating from what I
> can see, and very easy to implement.

"from what I can see". is the key part of the sentance. Opinion isn't fact.

> >you could expect this if say you'd invented the RTS genre maybe...
> Was the concept of Dune praised? Not the game, the concept. My timer
> thing is actually a morph of the way chess is timed. Was the concept
> of the chess clock praised? Not likely. But it is a software device
> which doesn't require manufacturing, as software is. And the concept
> is easy to apply, I think.

You think your idea is as groundbreaking as *that*?!?! Jeez, are you full
of it or what...(!)

> >Conversely, your idea may serve quite well to frustrate the player when
they
> >have less control over their units etc.
> As in running out of selections? Running out of time can frustrate a
> chess player too. That is the possible price a player risks in
> exchange for all of the benefits to the whole.

What benefits?(!)

> >There's nothing quite as aggravating in a game as not being allowed
input.
> But it is not a mechanical, rigid restraint. The whole thing is
> extremely flexible.

Yet he doesn't offer any decent explanation, which sez to me that he's full
of sh*t.

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oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself" - Tom Paine

Daniel Blakemore

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 5 juil. 2002 18:17

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> >On the other hand when bad you get critism, or if it seems that its
> >badness is obvious then you get flames, OR IGNORED. (al la SPAM)
> >On the third hand(!) if closer to neutral you tend to get "Whats the
> >benefit over X" posts.
> Where is your apparently vast expertise on human behavior coming from?

Well, where is *yours* coming from?(!)

> >You have had the last 2, but I don't recall seeing even 1 of the first
> >type ....
> Try the game design group.

Funnily enough, vague descriptions like that don't help much...(!)

> >Does anyone reading this think that his system will work?
> If you really want to know about systems, try asking that in the game
> design group, maybe in other than Yes or No form. If you care to do
> so, let me know so I can join your discussion there. Or just cross
> post it from here.

What's the betting FN knows sweet FA about systems...

> >And if it works would it be better or worse than, say, TAs?
> My timer is not a replacement system.

Well, thank you for telling us that important design feature(!).

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Daniel Blakemore
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself" - Tom Paine

full name

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 6 juil. 2002 02:44

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If you want to discuss this further, feel free to e-mail me.

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mbender@satx.rr.com

"A computer in every home - mine, all mine!"

full name

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 6 juil. 2002 06:19

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(correction)

The last message ID was wrong, it should have been this.
Message-ID: <3d22a824@news.mhogaming.com>

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mbender@satx.rr.com

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full name

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 6 juil. 2002 06:52

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off-topic

More examples.

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>The Dog'll be headin' your way with a two by four *real* soon...
>even if I have to pay for his air-fare myself.
>Danny Blakemore

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>I can pretty much guarantee that at least one of us will be
>able to pay you a visit within the next 6-9 months.
>Danny Blakemore

Daniel Blakemore

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 6 juil. 2002 10:24

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> (correction)
> The last message ID was wrong, it should have been this.
> Message-ID: <3d22a824@news.mhogaming.com>

Admitting you got one wrong?

What does that say for the accuracy of the
rest?

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oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself" - Tom Paine

Daniel Blakemore

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 6 juil. 2002 10:25

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> off-topic
> More examples.

*Yaaaaawn*.... God, someone pass me a pillow.

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Daniel Blakemore
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oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself" - Tom Paine

Daniel Blakemore

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 6 juil. 2002 10:26

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> If you want to discuss this further, feel free to e-mail me.

Aww...chickening out?

No staying power, these new trolls...

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Daniel Blakemore
"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself" - Tom Paine

**Scorched**

Re: Total Annihilation II: Real Timed Strategy?
Publié: 6 juil. 2002 12:10

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"Daniel Blakemore" <mylordslaanesh@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:ag690o$j21as$1@ID-12797.news.dfncis.de...
> > If you want to discuss this further, feel free to e-mail me.
>
> Aww...chickening out?

No staying power, these new trolls...

>

I don't think he likes the fact that no-one else agrees with him, and
everyone thinks he's a dick.... so he wants to carry it on private, little
wimp that he is

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